Saddle Height From Your Inseam, Checked Against Your Knee Angle

Enter your inseam and crank length to see where three published formulas put your saddle. Then check it the way bike fitters do: by the angle of your knee with the pedal at the bottom, measured on a photo.

Units

Measured barefoot, floor to crotch. How to measure it is below the calculator.

Check it with a photo of your knee

Sit on the bike with the crank pointing down, in line with the seat tube. Take a photo from the side and tap your hip, knee and ankle.

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How to measure your inseam

  1. Stand barefoot with your back against a wall and your feet about 5 cm apart.
  2. Pull a hardcover book up between your legs, spine up, until it presses firmly into your crotch, the way a saddle would.
  3. Keep the book level. A spirit level, or the level in your phone, helps.
  4. Have someone measure from the top of the spine of the book to the floor. Measure twice and use the average.

This is the protocol used in the saddle height studies by Peveler and colleagues, who used a board where you use a book. A few millimetres of error in the inseam become the same few millimetres in the saddle.

Three formulas, and why they disagree

Greg LeMond multiplies your inseam by 0.883 and measures from the centre of the bottom bracket to the top of the saddle. Hamley and Thomas used 109% of inseam, measured from the pedal axle to the top of the saddle with the crank in line with the seat tube. Ferrer-Roca and colleagues, filming riders as they pedalled, proposed 108.6% to 110.4% measured the same way.

The difference that matters is the crank. LeMond measures from the bottom bracket, so his number does not change with crank length; the other two measure from the pedal, so they do. The calculator converts all three to one measurement, bottom bracket to the top of the saddle, so you can hold a tape measure against your own bike.

None of them is exact for one person. In a study of 19 trained riders, the LeMond formula produced knee angles from 14° to 43°. In two others, the 109% method left the knee outside the 25° to 35° range in 63% of 27 riders and 73% of 11. A formula gets you close. Your knee tells you whether you are there.

Check it with your knee angle

Bike fitters judge saddle height by the knee. With the pedal at the bottom and the crank in line with the seat tube, the knee should stay bent: usually between 25° and 35° with the rider sitting still. The range comes from Holmes and colleagues, who gave narrower targets for riders with knee problems: 25° for pain at the kneecap, 25° to 30° for quadriceps tendon problems and 30° to 35° for pain on the outside of the knee (the iliotibial band).

While you pedal, the knee straightens a few degrees more than when you sit still, between 5° and 8° more in one study. That is why the target measured on video is higher: 30° to 40°, from Ferrer-Roca and colleagues. The calculator uses the right range for each kind of photo.

A knee straighter than the range means the saddle is high. A knee more bent means it is low.

  1. Put the bike on a trainer, level, and sit as you ride, hands on the hoods.
  2. Stop with the crank pointing down, in line with the seat tube.
  3. Have someone take a photo from the side at hip height, square to the bike, with your whole leg in the frame. Shorts make the landmarks easier to find.
  4. Open the photo in the calculator and tap three points: the bony bump on the outside of your hip, the centre of the outside of your knee and your ankle bone.

A photo is a flat, two-dimensional measurement. If the camera is not square to your leg the angle reads wrong, and a study of two-dimensional video found it reads the knee about 2° straighter than 3D motion capture. Treat a result within a couple of degrees of the edge of the range as borderline.

When you change cranks, shoes or pedals

If you change crank length, move the saddle the same amount the other way: 5 mm shorter cranks, 5 mm higher saddle. That keeps the distance from saddle to pedal at the bottom of the stroke the same, which is how researchers set riders up when they compare crank lengths. The crank length calculator shows what else changes.

Shoes, cleats and pedals also change the distance from your foot to the pedal axle, and none of the formulas includes them. That is one more reason to check your knee angle on your own bike rather than trust a number.

Your photo stays on your device

The photo is opened by this page in your browser and drawn on your screen. It is never uploaded, and the three points you tap are measured in the page itself.

What this tool will not do

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It is not a bike fit

Saddle height is one setting among several. Saddle setback, reach, handlebar height and cleat position all change how your knee moves, and a fitter watches you pedal.

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It does not know your body

The ranges come from groups of riders. Flexibility, leg length differences and old injuries move your own best height. If a knee or hip hurts, see a physiotherapist or a fitter before you move anything.

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The photo is only as good as the angle

A camera that is not square to your leg, or a point tapped a centimetre off, changes the result by several degrees.

Where this comes from

  1. Holmes JC, Pruitt AL, Whalen NJ. Lower extremity overuse in bicycling. Clin Sports Med. 1994;13(1):187-205. The 25° to 35° knee angle and the targets by knee problem. Source
  2. Hamley EJ, Thomas V. Physiological and postural factors in the calibration of the bicycle ergometer. J Physiol. 1967;191(2):55P-56P. The 109% method. Source
  3. LeMond G, Gordis K. Greg LeMond's Complete Book of Bicycling. Putnam, 1987. The 0.883 formula. Source
  4. Peveler W, Bishop P, Smith J, Richardson M, Whitehorn E. Comparing methods for setting saddle height in trained cyclists. J Exerc Physiol Online. 2005;8(1):51-55. Inseam protocol, and knee angles from 14° to 43° with the LeMond formula. Source
  5. Peveler WW, Pounders JD, Bishop PA. Effects of saddle height on anaerobic power production in cycling. J Strength Cond Res. 2007;21(4):1023-7. The 109% method outside 25° to 35° in 63% of riders. Source
  6. Peveler WW, Green JM. Effects of saddle height on economy and anaerobic power in well-trained cyclists. J Strength Cond Res. 2011;25(3):629-33. The 109% method outside 25° to 35° in 73% of riders. Source
  7. Ferrer-Roca V, Roig A, Galilea P, García-López J. Influence of saddle height on lower limb kinematics in well-trained cyclists: static vs. dynamic evaluation in bike fitting. J Strength Cond Res. 2012;26(11):3025-9. The 30° to 40° range on video, and 108.6% to 110.4% of inseam. Source
  8. Millour G, Duc S, Puel F, Bertucci W. Comparison of static and dynamic methods based on knee kinematics to determine optimal saddle height in cycling. Acta Bioeng Biomech. 2019;21(4):93-99. The knee straightens 5° to 8° more while pedalling. Source
  9. Fonda B, Sarabon N, Li FX. Validity and reliability of different kinematics methods used for bike fitting. J Sports Sci. 2014;32(10):940-6. Two-dimensional video reads the knee about 2° straighter than 3D. Source
  10. Bini R, Hume PA, Croft JL. Effects of bicycle saddle height on knee injury risk and cycling performance. Sports Med. 2011;41(6):463-76. Review of the methods and their evidence. Source
  11. Barratt PR, Martin JC, Elmer SJ, Korff T. Effects of pedal speed and crank length on pedaling mechanics during submaximal cycling. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2016;48(4):705-13. Saddle moved with each crank length to keep the distance to the pedal. Source

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